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Thu, 12 Oct 2023 12:31:46 -0300

Shoq via Alexandre Oliva (moved to @lxo@gnusocial.jp)

shoq@mastodon.social

In the last 20 years, I’ve read only one mostly fair and balanced unpacking of the fundamentals behind the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. It was this one, by Max Fisher. It’s 8 years old, but still mostly current.

I urge everyone, especially you GenZs who are new to this ongoing tragedy to read it. It’s important to know what’s real, what’s myth, and what’s complete bullshit. Dare I say it? “On both sides.”

“The 11 biggest myths about Israel-Palestine”
https://www.vox.com/2015/5/14/18093732/israel-palestine-misconceptions

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Fri, 13 Oct 2023 11:00:30 -0300

Alexandre Hannud Abdo

aleabdo@hubzilla.com.br

@Alexandre Oliva @Count Shoqula Hmm, no. It's got good historical facts, but it is not that good an article. And it's not current. It downplays facts that speak in favor of palestinians, like how Israel systematically failed to keep with agreements, always finding an excuse in the smallest action by the minority of radical palestinians, or simply unilaterally abandoning them, as palestinians for the most part held through while having their land grabbed and their rights and humanity violated every single day. While going as far as emphasizing (even resorting to increasing font size!) still-born goodwill offers on the part of Israel. It also downplays how "international aid" means very different things to the oppressor and oppressed sides: it barely keeps palestinians alive, while it systematically legitimates, promotes wealth, and enables Israel to arm itself like no other country. It also doesn't reflect the current events of the extreme-right taking power in Israel, with severe consequences for palestinians, the true face of Netanyahu and of many Israeli "we're just dealing with politics" old-school politicians, who have since made clear they're driven by racism, and doesn't recognize the situation of palestinians as apartheid.

Fri, 13 Oct 2023 12:39:19 -0300

Shoq

shoq@mastodon.social

@aleabdo The article doesn’t pretend to be an exhaustive exploration of every issue in the conflict. That could go on for a few books. It simply tries to summarize the basic myths about the conflict, and not all of its causes and effects. I think it does that. For every point you raise, a pali could raise at least one of their own. He was trying to cover the broad strokes.

Sat, 14 Oct 2023 02:14:15 -0300

Alexandre Oliva (moved to @lxo@gnusocial.jp)

lxo@gnusocial.net

I, for one, thought that a not-current article as reference material was a plus, because it wasn't loaded by current loaded rhetoric

Tue, 17 Oct 2023 17:55:32 -0300

Alexandre Hannud Abdo

aleabdo@hubzilla.com.br

@Alexandre Oliva @Count Shoqula I agree it has good stuff, just felt the need to raise that to me, and for what the thoughts I shared are worth, the praise was excessive. But it is definitely worth reading, and, by the way, thanks for sharing. Cheers